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Development of a Mary Sue by MissLunaRose Development of a Mary Sue by MissLunaRose
I've never really understood why people would tear down someone who writes a Mary Sue. Often these writers are only children.

Don't let them win.
:bulletblue: If you see this happening, speak up! Remind people that everyone deserves to be treated politely, no matter how well they write or how long they've been writing.
:bulletblue: Contact an admin if you believe someone is being attacked.
:bulletblue: If this happens to you, block them. Bullying is not constructive criticism, and you don't deserve it. Above all, don't let them stop you from writing.

Mary Sue Safe Zone by MissLunaRose

Made to supplement this guide
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Bwolfels221 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2015  New Deviant
I liked it and now I'm favourite number 666
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indulcet Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2015  New Deviant Hobbyist General Artist
I agree 100%. :D
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PsychoDemonFox Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
...Ouch.

I admit, I have... mixed feelings about Mary Sues. On the one hand, there are some really bad ones out there that I want to see bashed, but on the other... I realize that sometimes they do have potential to become good characters. And the people who write them might mean well, but they tend to go overboard. Speaking from experience, I used to write fanfic, but then I realized what I wrote wasn't that good. And I'm hesitant to start again because some people might call my original characters Mary Sues. I'm not opposed to constructive criticism, though it might be a blow to my ego.

...The point I'm trying to make with my ramblings is that I can see where people can go wrong with their characters, but if handled well, they can be enjoyable to read about. (Though again, I have seen some pretty obnoxious ones...)
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Navy-Blue-Falconet Featured By Owner May 30, 2015  New Deviant Student General Artist
At least my friends aren't bashers when critiquing.  :P
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ShinyMisty Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2015  Student Writer
This happened to me, only replace "Mary Sue" with "grammar and spelling" and over at Fan Fiction, where people can comment anonymously, and though, cannot be removed. 
This happened early last year, and I have been deadly afraid to write ever since, even though I have some ideas that could go somewhere. Every time I start writing again, the words come back to me. "How can you CALL yourself a writer!" "You should just quit while you are ahead!" "You suck...so much." 

I honestly feel like poor little sue in the picture, and have no idea if the character I made for my story (the main character) is a Sue, and am now afraid to write him, worried I'll get the same response. 
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primakyria Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
When I was eighteen, I made a livejournal "sporking" and "critiquing" all Saiyuki Mary Sues. I said it was critique, and yeah, the stuff they wrote was pretty awful, but now that I look back at it, I realize that I really went overboard with my "critique" (to be completely honest, it just all seems really nasty now and there were even some threats of physical violence. I mean, wtf self? It's a fanfic!).

I saw this and I swear there was a tear in my eye. I might have actually destroyed someone's drive to write and get better. :( 

This just made me realize that we shouldn't be "nice" or we shouldn't "molly coddle". We should be careful when critiquing someone. They will probably get all defensive and go "NOT LISTENING LALALALA" at first, but in a few years, they'll probably realize we're right.

Thanks for this. :( It made me think about a lot of stuff. I also felt bad for Mary. 
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ZelphyrTheSecond Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lil I like how they try to make us feel bad for a Mary sue. They're perfectly boring! And fictional!
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AsianAnimeGamer Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2015
I believe in constructive criticism and often, I can come off as harsh. However, I really try to help creators rebuild their ocs into someone more realistic and less fat. I'm slowly trying tone down my criticisms (unless someone says something really horrible, like an intentional terrible Hetalia Israel oc because the creator was anti-Semitic), however, I'm very anti-coddlng and firmly believe that people can always change and so, my attempts to soften my hard edges can go awry. I do want to thank you for making this because I really think it helps those people who bash simply to make themselves feel better and not to help really realize that critiquing in such an aggressive and demeaning fashion is NOT ok. Thank you.
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AJInu-Okami Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I never tear down a MS character. Just want the erson to change him/her a bit so they seem like more of a realistic person. In other words, help them out and have constructive criticism. Something that most people don't seem to do, yet think cyber-bullying is the way to do it -_-
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oO-LilacPetal-Oo Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know, right?

If you haven't yet, you should make a small journal about the topic of new deviants "stealing art", when they just don't know the rules and think they can repost, and don't know how to credit. I've had a similar case with someone who "stole" Kawiku's art when he/she just didn't know what they were doing. Everyone was yelling at them, saying "THIEF" and "YOU'RE GETTING BANNED!" while I was the only person who calmly approached them, explaining how DA works. They credited Kawiku, and I think that the yelling is over now, hopefully.
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shysammmie Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015
Sadly people are to blind by their anger to see the potential in every character has potential , they just have to see it . ( gives you a box full of cookies )
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1520san Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015
Wow. I wanna cry for little Mary. ;; A ;;
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2015   General Artist
Yeah, it's really sad that this happens. :hug:
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1520san Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015
Very. ;; Though I never thought of it this way. This art made alot of sense, like a thousand words, telling a story. Great job!! *^*)b
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Sly-the-F0X Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015
Man that happened to me once.it's called constructive criticism,not cyber bullying!
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015   General Artist
Indeed! If you can't say something nice (solicited constructive criticism counts as being nice), then there's no need to say anything at all.
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Riolumon Featured By Owner Edited Jan 18, 2015  Professional Writer
I just became a victim of this shit not literally 10 minutes ago. CAN WE JUST NOW CALL THIS INTERNET ART RACISM FROM NOW ON? Because here is my first thought on Mary Sue www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOxt9P… F***ING NO! 

(For fucks sake I'm god damn 18)
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015   General Artist
I'm sorry to hear that this happened to you, and I hope you're doing fine.
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Riolumon Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015  Professional Writer
Yeah I'm good. In fact I made so much sense to the other person about creativity that I literally made her cry. Creativity is not a balance it is a right. Otherwise we are just mindless animals who want to impress a heartless master.
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Lola-Rola Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014
I know right,I mean,seriously.Mary-Sues are not that bad!ESPECIALLY if there are an oc(not fc)
Plus why are people being bashed for making mary-sues,sure mary-sues are bad but not that bad!Remember guys the people who make these characters are most likely LITTLE CHILDREN!like I don't know 8-13!They don't know better than to make their ocs overpowered.They are beginners,you have to be easy on them.Say it like this "Hello,I would like to help you improve your character by-" not like this "MARY SUE!MARYSUEMARYSUEMARYSU BURN IT WITH FIRE!" Dude your going to crush his/her feelings.take it easy on them,they are just children.

That is all.
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015   General Artist
Indeed! It's much better to use constructive criticism, or to simply ignore them and go read someone else's work. :aww:
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NuttyJimmyFan Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014
When I was nine, I wrote an 86 page story with the main character as a Mary Sue named Miranda. Everyone hated my story and told me so. 
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015   General Artist
That's too bad! :hug: Who hates on a nine-year-old's story? Seriously, that's not the way to do it.

Nine is a very young age to start writing long stories—you must be quite talented by now! My first novel began after I turned 11. :D (And yes, total Mary Sue.)
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CometStarlightPony Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
May I tell you about my old OC?

Her name was Starlight Glow, and she was a 6-year old alicorn filly, and her mane was hot pink and her coat was pure white. She became an orphan and homeless, and one day, she was looking for some food in the castle grounds and suddenly, Celestia walked out! Her crown was glowing and Star realized she was her destiny to be Celestia's daughter , so she got her cutie mark for magic and being beautiful! Celestia immediately became her mother! So did Luna! But Celestia and Luna were too busy, and they didn't have enough time for her. So they sent her to Twilight Sparkle with a perfected transportation spell. As soon as she got there, Spike was about to fall from the tallest bookcase in the library! But Starlight saved him, and he gave up on Rarity and fell madly in love with her! Then she did the 3 most beautiful and perfect and fastest Sonic Rainbooms ever! Then with the rest of the mane 6, she taught bunnies to fly, made wonderful dresses, bucked zapp apples even though they were out of season, threw an awesome party, and read all the books in the library and perfected all the spells at the age of 7! Then when she was 21, she married Spike.
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NyanWulf02 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
That reminds me of my first MLP OC, Silver Shy. She pretty much has the same colors as Silver Spoon and a mane style exactly like Fluttershy. She was raised by Timberwolves in the Everfree Forest , and Fluttershy found her in the bushes. She took the filly to Zecora who visioned that she give her the name, "Silver Shy." After that Fluttetshy adopted her. Many years later she tamed a dragon and was granted Alicorn-ness by Princess Luna. I even wrote a whole BBBFF Parody with Silver Shy and Fluttershy.

I'm SO glad I trashed her. ;u;
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015   General Artist
Wow! :giggle: That's quite the character! I think you may have topped my worst Mary Sues, ha ha.
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Priscellia Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Agreed, and to be honest, some Mary Sue fics are fun to read, I find them funny and exciting most of the time, because some well-balanced characters are so boring and cliche (no offense, just some but not all), and I can think these Sue authors could be helped and adviced nicely to make a better and well-balanced character.

Ex: instead of 'mary sue alert here', go with 'nice story but I suggest you work more on the character by giving it some flaws'
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015   General Artist
Yeah! :) Harry Potter always struck me as a bit of a Mary Sue, but look how many people love that series. My brother also admits that one of his favorite TV shows has a completely overpowered Mary Sue as the protagonist, but he still thinks it's amazing. Sometimes it's fun to follow a power fantasy, and sometimes people are willing to suspend disbelief for a story they enjoy.

I agree—either offer gentle constructive critique, or if the writer doesn't want critique, just stay quiet about it. :D
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Priscellia Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
All I just wanted is to make a unique story, where the female is the protagonist or main antagonist
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015   General Artist
Sounds like a noble goal! I want to do the same. (I have a story in which both the protagonist and main antagonist are female. :lol:)
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Priscellia Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know right! I was planning onto making a female who is creative and also silly, then when she dropped her pen in the alleyway, she went into the alleyway and saw ghosts. Its all about ghost hunting, weapon making and ghost gangsters and stuff XD
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WrongBeef Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, everyone deserves to be treated equally regardless of how terrible they are. Makes total sense.
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014   General Artist
If by that, you mean "treat everyone with respect," then yes, you're right. :)
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Tflover323 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I honestly remember the not-so-long ago days when I made a butt ton of sues. A handful of them were kept and fixed, but most were just scrapped when I decided I had too many OCs. An example is Loki Voidborn of hte Elder Scrolls universe, along with Dragonstar(a scrapped character). They both started as Sues(loki a Stu), and were slowly developed over time. Now, Loki's balanced: he is a Daedric Prince, but he's at his weakest when he's using his power inherited from his father. When mortal, he could have easily been killed using this power, and now could just as easily be defeated.

I try to help people with Sues, I try to speak\type to them as if it were my younger cousin, but if they lash at me like I'm a hater, I'm going to get angry and it will start showing.
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014   General Artist
Same here! Most of my Mary Sues ended up discarded, filed away in old Word documents, but I revamped a few of them too. :D I'm glad that you found some characters salvageable! And I find that even the ones that aren't worth revamping can still be reminders of good memories. :)

It's nice of you to offer considerate, constructive critique to people!

If people react badly, it's usually because of a misunderstanding (e.g. you thought they wanted critique, but they didn't) or because they aren't ready for critique and aren't worth your time. I hope that it was easy for you to disengage from the latter; sometimes things can blow up in the most nasty way over the internet.
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LatulaCaptor Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2014
I think this is true 
i mean when making a mary-sue its not like it hurts anyone.
If you really have to say something about the sue, then do it in a nicer way. The writer could just be a kid so i dont think its necessary to hate on him/her
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2014   General Artist
Indeed! :nod: Constructive criticism will do far more good than bullying. And if you don't like it, it's easy to go find something else to read! I've never understood why people feel the need to tear others down over the internet.
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wolfrider445 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2014
I liked it.  About Mary Sues i cant really cant comment more than if i find some in a story, and dont like it, well mostly i just dont read the thing (or leave it after do it) mostly cause i find that only can critice like a 'costumer' (i mean as i read your 'product' (story/fanfic/comic/etc) and didnt like it,  more than to give advices about how to improve it and all cause i havent written/draw/etc, one yet.

And besides that, reading the comments on your work and all (to the authors that are like the nice drawn) you must take the advice of a spanish writter of begginings of 20th Century, Enrique Jardiel Poncela :

(Paraphrasing) : Docility with criticism when it is intelligent ... and when it is not, should become rebellion and contempt... (i dont know how to translate to english, but the idea is that)

By the way, i really liked it... :)  the draw i mean
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015   General Artist
Thank you very much! :hug:

I agree; one can constructively criticize a story (if the writer accepts criticism), or say nothing at all. :) There's absolutely no need for people to be rude about Mary Sues.
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Kyka44 Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
I remember this creepypasta oc this girl had (not linking) and she told her haters to "Go to Sleep"
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014   General Artist
That's very odd.
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wolf749 Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2014
Mary Sues are sometimes the stepping stones to making good, solid characters, I don't see why people have to bully the authors for them.

Then again, I made a mary sue last year to be a bit of a troll. Would've worked out, if I hadn't been too lazy to properly write a terrible story for her. XD
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2014   General Artist
Indeed. :aww: People who make fun of people for being new to their craft have some serious issues they need to think through.

Ooh, sounds like you were playing with fire.
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hobovill99 Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2014
I think people just need to find the balance between two extremes. It seems people are either showering a genuinely bad character with praise (Thus telling the writer that it's ok to make shit characters) or they're pummeling it into the ground (Discouraging the writer from growing or trying again). I think people should tell a writer if their character is bad, but not go off about how the writer is a terrible person for making a mary sue and should be shunned for life. Just a little comment on what they could improve on the character goes a long way.
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2014   General Artist
Yeah, constructive criticism is the best way to deal with an amateurish character (or, if the writer isn't looking for constructive criticism, just ignoring the Mary Sue and moving on). Flaming is a terrible practice, and praising a character to the heavens isn't helping the writer in the long run.
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Shipping-War-Leaders Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I remember when I was younger I made an OC similar to myself. I loved the character but she was claimed a sue cause I gave her dyed green hair and made her 'punk' 
It was called the "teenager sue" I think.
Anyways I started to hate the OC I deleted her and I haven't ever looked back...
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2014   General Artist
Aww, it's too bad that it turned out that way. :aww: Mary Sues are part of the natural growth process.

I had a ton of Mary Sues when I was a young teen, and now I enjoy looking back on them because of all the good memories I had. (Luckily, I didn't use the internet much back then, so nobody flamed me.)
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Shipping-War-Leaders Featured By Owner Edited Nov 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True, I'm hoping I could sooner or later go back and fix her
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V-fanfics Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Honestly, I'm not the biggest fan of sues. However, seeing people bully or bash someone who made a Mary Sue is downright ridiculous and uncalled for. Mary Sues are the first step to making a "proper" OC. 
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MissLunaRose Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2014   General Artist
Indeed! :nod:
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